Thursday, July 05, 2012

They don’t need to require them to be called taxes



 I said that I agree with the [Supreme Court']s dissent, and the dissent made it very clear that they felt [the individual mandate] was unconstitutional. But the dissent lost. It's in the minority. And now the Supreme Court has spoken. There's no way around that. You can try and say you wished they would have decided in a different way, but they didn't. They concluded it was a tax. That's what it is. 

And from later in the interview:

Actually the chief justice in his opinion made it very clear that at the state level, states have the power to put in place mandates. They don’t need to require them to be called taxes in order for them to be constitutional. And as a result, Massachusetts’ mandate was a mandate, was a penalty, was described that way by the legislature and by me, and so it stays as it was.

Quoting this guy is going to be almost as much fun as quoting Palin.

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74 comments:

Al The Retired Army Guy said...

I think Erin's obsessed with Romney ... which got me to thinking ...

Remember in '08 when there was that woman who put videos out about being "crazy for Obama," you know, Obama Girl? I think Erin should be Romney Girl. I can see it now .... Erin, going viral, while singing ...

"I'm just mad about Romney ... Romney's mad about me .."

Yeah, that's it.

Al
TRAG

Erin O'Brien said...

Al, should I order yours in small, medium or large?

Al The Retired Army Guy said...

None of the above. Though I think you might look quite fetching shilling for Romney in one of these.

http://www.cafepress.com/+i_only_date_republicans_classic_thong,206256264

Al
TRAG

P.S. Erin's new theme song, sung to the tune of "Mellow Yellow" by Donovan:

"I'm just mad about Romney ... Romney's mad about me ... you could say it's my obsession, to make him choose between Ann or me ... they call me Romney Girl (quite RIGHTly) ... they call me Romney Girl (quite RIGHTly)...."

I should have been a lyricist, I tell ya.

Anonymous said...

@Al

Donovan! Cosmic Wheels album such a late, great classic. Those were the days...

P.S

Anyone that can read the breaking scandal on Barclay's and the Libor and still believe Capitalism is anything other than organized crime is smoking some bad shit. I'm about ready to join them. I mean I can (barely) understand a GOP'er supporting Romney as the nominee of his/her party but is that man not a caricature of every hackneyed cliche' in the universe.

RJ

Erin O'Brien said...

Al, go cook.

AGREED RJ. It boggles the mind. Can you imagine how he will look on a stage next to Obama? Can you imagine that this is the best the GOP could buy with virtually all the money in the world.

This clown is the best the GOP could do? really?

GAAAAAWWWWD.

Anonymous said...

This clown can win. Shudder.

RJ

VideoDude said...

Partisan redistricting has created the modern Teapublican Party. (formerly known as the Republican party) Every chance they get to redraw districts, they move them farther to the right. When they run they have to please the far right nut jobs, which leaves us with a more and more radical, far Right Wing Party. Just Google the Ohio districts and look at John BOehNER's district, and you will see what I mean.

By the way, I was for the individual mandate back in 1993, when it was a Republican ideal.

Al The Retired Army Guy said...

I think Obama would make a great clown. He's got the ears for it, amongst the other qualities required of a clown.

Al
TRAG

Al The Retired Army Guy said...

I think Obama would make a great clown. He's got the ears for it, amongst the other qualities required of a clown.

Al
TRAG

Mike Lawless said...

Up is down, left is right, a tax is not a tax in Mass....I think I must be having acid flashbacks....

VideoDude said...

It is easy to understand the Tea-GOP thinking. If a Teapublican says it or does, it is okay and good. If a Democrat or Pres. Obama says it, it is bad. Even if it was once a Tea-GOP ideal. Like the "Individual Mandate" and "Cap And Trade". Here are a couple of links to support my argument:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/06/22/24-policies-that-republicans-supported-before-they-were-against-them/

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/06/22/20-obvious-lies-that-will-shock-conservatives-if-they-ever-bothered-to-read-a-book-or-two/

Anonymous said...

Romney reminds me of a Nixon song that somebody did in 1972, I'll adjust for Mitford

He walks he talks he smiles he frowns

He does whatever a human can

He's Malleable Mitt from Salt Lake City...

The original plastic man...

MR

Yabu said...

You people crack me up. The Left doesn't like the Right, and the Right doesn't like the Left. Tell me something I don't know. Enlighten me. I'm in the middle, but we only have two choices. It's not about who is running, it's about values. Personally, I don't believe Socialism has ever worked anywhere. Just my opinion, though. I do study history. If anyone believes that either candidate is best for our country, they're smoking crack. But, we do have to choose. If you believe Obama is best for you, vote for him. If you believe Romney is best for you, vote for him. But for the love of whatever, stop slamming how people choose. If we loose the right to choose, we've lost everything.

I'll tell you what I believe: The government has no right to tell me, or force me, to buy anything.

Erin O'Brien said...

The government has no right to tell me, or force me, to buy anything.

The GOV forces us to buy things all the time. I didn't much like buying that farcical war in Iraq.

Now then, do you oppose the GOV telling you who you may marry?

And thank you for your gracious permission to let me vote for whom I choose.

Yabu said...

Miss Erin, I wasn't trying to be rude. I believe what I believe. I wasn't talking about wars, I wasn't talking about who or whom I can or cannot marry...I was talking about the freedom to choose. I was talking about the freedom to choose what is best for me, and me only. I can not make decisions for other people, nor do I want to.

Are you a Socialist? Yes or no. It is a binary question. On or off. Do you believe that Socialism is a better form of government than a Constitutional Republic? Just curious. I would love to read your thoughts on this.

Anonymous said...

@ Yabu...

Who, pray tell, do you suggest is a socialist in this election? There are many among those of us on the left side of the equation who doubt whether or not Mr Obama is even a liberal.
If you're convinced he's a "Socialist" you're an idiot. Are you an idiot? Yes or no. It's a binary question.

You want to make decisions for you, and only you? You don't want anybody making decisions that have anything to do with you? Move to the frickin' woods. Kaczinski's cabin is for rent, cheap.

Are you, Yabu, in point of fact, the Unibomber? Yes or no? It's a binary question, simpleton.

MR

Bill said...

Why, Erin and RJ, do you call Romney a clown? Is it because he's a successful business man? Is it because he has a nice family? Is it because he was the Governer of Massachusetts? Is it because he successfully ran the Salt Lake City Olympics? Is it because he's a Mormon? Is it because he gives huge dollars to charity and his church? Is it because he's loyal to people close to him? Or is it just another name you come up with for people you disagree with?

Anonymous said...

Romney's success is a combination of luck and gaming the system. He's a fucking amoral capitalist who is so unconcerned about his constant contradictory statements that he opens himself to criticism from all sides. "The Etch-A-Sketch" Candidate. Of course this makes him one of many so you may ask why I choose to single him out? He's the face of the gravy sucking pigs. It goes with the territory.

RJ

VideoDude said...

Does anyone remember the Teapublican's reaction when Pres. Obama went to Europe to argue for the next Olympics here in America? But Mitt Rmoney is using the Olympics as a presidential selling point. Once again the Teapublicans prove: If a Teapublican is for it, it is good. If a Democrat is for it (especially Pres. Obama) then they are no longer for it!

Medicare, signed into law by a Republican. Mandate that all Hospital emergency rooms must provide service, even if a person has no inurance or money, signed into law by that evil liberal Ronald Reagan!

Yabu, obviously will be sitting the next elecion out!

Here is what our current, supposedly, "do-nothing" president has done so far:

http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

Erin O'Brien said...

Romney is a clown because his party has told him he has to bad mouth a health care reform he pioneered and he complies.

Which is pretty much why he engages in clownish behavior like saying the mandate is a tax when Obama levies it, but not when he levies it (as evidenced in this post's video).

Watch the clip again. Even Romney doesn't believe himself. You can see it on his face.

No, Yabu, I do not consider myself to be a socialist.

Bill said...

Begging for the Olympics and failing, is not exactly the same as running a successful Olympics. Obama was criticized for failing to convince the committee to have the games in the U.S. Sort of like his failure to lower the ocean level and close Gitmo, and create jobs, and lower the debt, and ...... How does that cool aid taste, VD?

VideoDude said...

First of all it is spelled Kool-Aid!

Obama was critized for going to Europe to argue for the Olympics, not for losing the Olympics. Wer are talking real facts here not Fox News facts.

He has created jobs compared to the losing of millions of jobs by the last administration.

And you end with a typical Tea-GOP insult when confronted with a factual argument.

I will post this link, again, since none of you Tea-GOPers appear to have read it the first time. Pay special attention to the fact that we were creating jobs in 2001 until Bushg/Cheney economics began working. Then the change in 2009 when Obama's policies began to take hold and the job loss went from a negative to a positive. Now who is drinking the KOOL-AID, Bill!?!

VideoDude said...

OOPs, I forgot the link. In my last post "Wer" should be "we".


http://www.barackobama.com/jobsrecord?source=20120124_BO_FB&utm_medium=fb&utm_source=bo_fb&utm_campaign=20120124_bo_fb_jobsrecord_ad

Erin O'Brien said...

I'll have a binary orgasm, please.

Bill said...

VD. I just knew you could spell that correctly. Grape?

Anonymous said...

You know I really hope the Presidency of the U.S. comes down to a persons ability to successfully stage an Olympic Games. It will then be clear that the Apocalypse is nigh.
I tell you what Bill. I'll concede your point. Romney is not a clown. However you are for starting this ridiculous conversation. Romney would more accurately be called a whore. He will say and/or do whatever it takes for his side to win. So tell us ole master of the free market how does one choose success among whores. If one can see one john per day and make 10,000 dollars or one sees 30 johns in order to make 10,000 dollars who is more qualified to be chief whore?

RJ

VideoDude said...

Yes, Bill, I know how to spell. I went to public schools!

You are not going to respond to the facts, are you, Bill? Just keep moving those insults on down the thread! Next try "Liberalism is a" (Take your pick): 1.) "...Social Disease" 2.) "Mental Disease". When a Teapublican is confronted with facts he/she will do one of three things, insult, deflect or ignore!

philbilly said...

I think the one john per day @ $10,000 whore would be a better fit.

Anonymous said...

We have a winner!

"UH-OH. Obama outraised by 35 million."-Huffington Post.

RJ

Anonymous said...

P.S. Libertarian Gary Johnson and Presumptive Green Party Candidate(if she defeats Roseanne) Jill Stein are on the Tennessee Ballot. I was hoping for the guy that was gonna give everything back to the Indians but I don't think he's gonna make it.

RJ

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah...

Did you hear the report that Black Lung is making a come back. That'll teach those rascally environmentalists!

RJ

Bill said...

Gee, RJ, I think I'd rather be a whore than a clown. You do have a big bag of names to call people, don't you? When pissed and frustrated, just call them a name. VD, you're right. I'm not going to waste my super valuable time responding to your facts. I'm too busy trying to find a spell checker for the comments section. But I'm sure a kool guy like you will understand.

Anonymous said...

Hey Bill, there are plenty of reasons to call Mr Romney a clown.

Mitt Romney is a clown because he leads a circus, the GOP.

The GOP wants to roll back women's reproductive rights back even further than Roe v Wade, questioning the right to use hormonal birth control.

The GOP wants the Book of Genesis taught alongside Darwin in science classes.

The GOP thinks that despite the fact that 97% of qualified climate scientists believe human activity is causing harmful change to the environment, the bleating of the die-hard 3% means the science is 'unsettled'.

The GOP thinks the Ryan budget, which kills Medicare, is a good idea.

The GOP thinks that the Ryan budget, which doesn't balance the DEFICIT (not the debt, the deficit) until 2040 is a good idea.

The GOP thinks the Ryan budget, which doesn't balance the deficit until 2040 despite killing Medicare because it not only makes the Bush tax cuts to the rich permanent but gives the rich further massive unwarranted tax breaks, is a good idea.

The GOP thought that playing chicken with the debt limit last summer was a good idea.

The GOP thinks that voter ID laws which skew heavily against the poor, minorities, students, and the elderly, are a good idea.

The GOP thinks that voter ID laws, which address only voter-impersonation fraud (the rarest variety of an incredibly rare violation-many times more UFO sightings in a year than voter-impersonation arrests)are a necessary thing.

Call Mitt the ringmaster or a fucking clown, but it's a shitshow of a circus he's leading. Since January 20, 2009 they have behaved as partisan insurrectionists totally uninterested in governing, preferring rather to obstruct, deflect and prevaricate, totally unworthy of governing.

Got it?

MR

Bill said...

You know, MR, you should really credit the sources you're stealing your comments from. Example: 2nd to last paragraph almost word for word from an msnbc progam. Good memory though!

Yabu said...

@ Erin.

What does the GOV force me to buy? Are you spanking Romney because he's a Mormon? That's racist. For the record, I believe the war in Iraq was wrong. And you saying "gracious permission to let me vote for whom I choose", is a joke. You need to get in the game. I was trying to be fair. You just can't believe anyone who believes differently than you. Call me what you like, but I'm true to my beliefs. Always have been, always will be. What's wrong with that?

Also, it has nothing to do with marriage. Where are you coming from? You're just mad at people who don't believe as you do. Sad.

Also, do you believe in the Electoral College? Just curious.

@Anonymous

I don't respond to people who won't tell me their name. You can kiss the north end of a duck flying south.



@VideoDude

I will NOT be "sitting the next election out". I am a Patriot. I'm the guy you would probably want on your side when the chips go down. Just saying'

Al The Retired Army Guy said...

"Romney would more accurately be called a whore. He will say and/or do whatever it takes for his side to win."

Actually, they're all whores. They all do whatever it takes to win, to include Obama.

"Mitt Romney is a clown because he leads a circus, the GOP."

Factually inaccurate. Romney is neither a clown (not according to the definition I looked up) nor the Chairman of the GOP. And the GOP isn't a circus, according to the definition I looked up. It's a political party. One may choose to look at it as possessing the same qualities as a circus (much as I do the Obama Administration), but in a strict sense it doesn't make it one.

"The GOP thinks that voter ID laws which skew heavily against the poor, minorities, students, and the elderly, are a good idea."

Here's an idea to fix that: Have mobile id teams go to poor areas, areas where there is a large minority presence (African American, Latino, you name it), schools, and senior centers/retirement homes and issue IDs on the spot with proper identification or proof of citizenship (birth certificate, military ID, state issued ID, etc.). Hell, go door to door if need be and do the same thing. That way the argument that they're being disenfranchised is moot. If we did that, would anyone reasonably argue that we're disenfranchising anyone? Thoughts?

Al
TRAG

P.S. I'm not a socialist. But that should come as a surprise to no one.

P.S.S. Yes Erin, I know. Go cook something.

Erin O'Brien said...

Are you spanking Romney because he's a Mormon??

No. But tell me, do you believe Mr. Romney enjoys spanking?

You just can't believe anyone who believes differently than you.

Wrong.

I'm true to my beliefs. Always have been, always will be. What's wrong with that?

Nothing.

Also, do you believe in the Electoral College?

It's absolutely real. Don't believe me? Ask Al Gore.

Erin O'Brien said...

Wait. I can't help myself.

Yabu, some of my best friends are conservatives. In fact, I've entertained conservatives in my own home on several occasions.

And for the record, I ain't all that keen on Robomneycare myself. So call me sugartits.

Yabu said...

"No. But tell me, do you believe Mr. Romney enjoys spanking?" I could care less about Romney, I could care less about Gore, I could care less about Obama, but I do care about me and mine. They're all bad news. The fact of the matter is: the people will need to make a choice. Pretty simple in the end. It will be a yes or a no...kinda like your binary orgasm. I hope it feels good, because we're about to get screwed one way or the other. You might dislike the right, and the right might dislike the left, but in the end, we've got to work it out. If we cannot come to terms, there will be a Civil War. I kid you not, and that will be the worst thing possible. You get a bunch of right-wing righties on one side of the street, and a bunch of left-wing lefties on the other side of the street, the shit will hit the fan. This will be the worst possible scenario.

We're way past who runs for POTUS. Fact.

There is way more important stuff to consider. We have many issues on many levels. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just trying to have a conversation. I'm fair. always have been, always will be. Slam me if you want, it won't be the first time. I can take it. Do me a favor though, tell your Anonymous commenter he or she is a pussy. Coward.

Anonymous said...

@Al-

"Actually, they're all whores. They all do whatever it takes to win, to include Obama."

Agree and regular readers of this here blog would not be surprised that is my stance. America has a one party system. The money party. When money is speech only the rich are free.

Al you can have whatever kinda voter id system you want. Fact of the matter is study after study has failed to find significant fraud. It's a red herring. But it's equally as true that the poor have a harder time complying with the law. I don't know about you but I talk to people regularly who have to budget for gas money to run errands.

Who the hell is Yabu? "Are you spanking Romney because he's a Mormon? That's racist." Mormons are an ethnic group now?

BTW, my name is Randy Johnson. Bring the pain brave heart.

RJ

Erin O'Brien said...

I appreciate your comments Yabu and while I'm not worried about a civil war just yet, I agree that we ought to come to terms.

I can tell you one thing: I'd be able to stomach the Right a lot more if they'd get their filthy hands off my uterus.

I also think a lot of the divisiveness we're seeing is generational. Whenever I interact with younger people--and I do it a lot for my professional writing--they just want to make this country rock.

For now, what RJ says about the "money party" is true--to an extent. After all, why are the Koch brothers spending millions to oust Obama?

Bill said...

If RJ had a lot of money he could campaign to get all of the money out of politics. Oh. Wait a minute. Probably be better to move to Cuba or Venzuela where there is no money in politics and the people have a voice and free speech and they are all happy. Makes me want to sing! "Yo soy un hombre sincero De donde crece la palma". There must be a utopia somewhere. Sigh.

Yabu said...

@ Erin.

I'll tell you what Miss Erin, the people do need to come to terms. That is a fact. I have no interest in your uterus. After all, it is yours. None of my business. Any decision regarding it, is yours. I have no problem with that. None whatsoever. Your body is yours, and I believe you can do with it what you like. I believe that with all my heart. I swear to the Maker I do.

I also think a lot of the divisiveness we're seeing is generational and educational. Our education system is broken. We need to fix the teachers before we can fix the students. Just what I believe. I would like to see the country rock, but until the young folks are educated, it won't happen. It doesn't matter which side they choose, but they do need to understand the choices they make. Like I said, it's not about right or left, but it is about right or wrong, from a spiritual view. I'm not to judge, though. I am who I am, and I believe what I believe.

You know, you get many people around here who want to beat the shit out of people like me. Tell 'em to bring it on….I'm a good person, but I will stand my ground. No matter.

There will always be two sides to everything. That's what makes the world spin. Heck, if we weren't spinning, it would be boring.

Anonymous said...

@Bill: Re MSNBC and the UFO comparison: I didn't get it from MSNBC, Jackass. I got it from Mother Jones Magazine. It's a "News Magazine". With a "Track Record". Since "1857".

Pick your fucking shots a lot better than that when you question my sources, Zippy, because my sources aren't assholes like Breitbart and Carlson.

Enjoy your evening treatments. I hope Nurse Ratched isn't so severe tonight.

I made 10 fucking points and you questioned my source on one? Not accuracy, just source? On one out of ten?

MR

Bill said...

Sort of tired of the childesh name calling MR. I didn't question your source I just mentioned that you should credit it. I'm a little more interested in original thought. The only thing original about your comments are the feeble attempts at berating those you don't agree with. But, google away man.

Anonymous said...

Hiya Al...If the utterly reasonable solution that you propose were on the table, I can't imagine that a single swingin' d**k on either side of the the aisle would have a single scream about it. But it's not on the table. And there are a ton (give or take a limbaugh or two?)(how many limbaughs to a ton these days?) of people on the right who care not whether or not eligible voters get disenfranchised in this process as long as they (righties) don't get outvoted by new, young or elderly voters who they lost to last time.

They really question after all this time whether Mr Obama won.

And he did.

Convincingly.

Electoral college.

And popular vote




MR



. (That's yourself, myself, your friends, my friends, my neighbors, your neighbors.

Al I know that you know all of this, and I'm immortally grateful for what you, my father, and both of my grandfathers paid in sweat and blood for the privelege...

Anonymous said...

@ Bill...question someone's sources, instead of their facts, and then when somebody pins you on it? Calling it "childesh" name calling? AssKlown. Is that name-calling? Does it fit? Is it accurate? I think it fits, hermano...

MR
PS

After this don't you fucking dare question a factual point I present here again, because you don't bother to deal in facts. "The Blaze" and "The Daily Caller" are to journalism as 'Janitor in a Drum' is to mouthwash.

MR

Bill said...

It never ceases to amaze me how the anonymity of a comments section give some people the false courage to act and talk in ways they would never even consider when among people. Sort of like road rage. Blog rage?

Anonymous said...

What was anonymous, jaggoff?

MR

Anonymous said...

@Yabu...

Might want to check out Scandinavia. Socialism seems to be working out pretty good for those guys.

RJ

Erin O'Brien said...

Nice comment, Yabu.

You know, you get many people around here who want to beat the shit out of people like me.

I disagree. Peeps might get steamed and swear and do some name calling, but I don't think anyone's threatening anyone else around here.

Conversely, If I go to Velociman's site, or Venlet's or just about any other online bastion of conservatism, and start poking around in the comment section, it won't take long for the Big Brave Anonymous commenters to start talking about their guns and how they're just waiting for "open season" on libruls.

At least no one here is talking about shooting someone because they don't like their politics.

Yabu said...

@Erin

You know, Velociman is a good guy. We've shared many a cold beverage together, and traveled many miles together. He's the type of guy you want on your side when the are down. Also, he can wright like a Dolphin can swim.

The anonymous commenters on his site don't usually attack other commenters. Attacking the author or commenter is part of the game...I have no problem with that. I just want to know who is attacking me. Actually, I really don't give a shit, so I guess I'll "walk back" that statement.

In a perfect world, there would be no guns, unless you were hungry. Don't forget, our country was founded with guns. Right, wrong, or indifferent, it is a fact. As of now, it is the only technology that keeps us safe from hungry wild animals. Take that as you may. It's not about peace, love, and understanding. It's about survival. I could argue this gun thing forever, but, in the end, it would make no difference. I once came upon a Momma Grizzly bear with her two cubs. I had no gun, and almost got killed. I swear to the Maker, I almost got killed. I will never let that happen again. Never. I guess it's about perspective, and reality.

Take a look at these true stories.

http://badbadjuju.com/2012/06/close-call-4/

http://badbadjuju.com/2011/02/high-noon-protest/

Erin, you're obviously a smart woman, so meet me halfway. On a side note: When the crack head pulled the butcher knife on me, there were no police around. I was on my own. That is a fact. If you were with me, you would have been glad that I saved your ass. Just sayin'

@ Anonymous

Cuba or Venezuela ? You have got to be kidding me. You obviously don't have a clue. You should move to one or the other, and we'll see how long it takes for you to return. Socialism has not worked anywhere, and that my friend, is a fact. You need to get in the game. You can bitch and complain to people like me, but I can assure you, it bounces off.

Anonymous said...

@Yabu-

"Socialism has not worked anywhere, and that my friend, is a fact."- Yabu.

By what authority do uou speak?
Links to source material please.

Randy Johnson...

Who normally posts around here as the anonymous RJ because I don't care to have a blog link and I'm lazy, RJ only requires 2 keystrokes.

Erin O'Brien said...

Yabu, I wasn't talking about guns or gun rights. It's the cowardly practice of cyber gun-waving in comment sections that turns my stomach. Next time I see it, I'll send you a link.

As for your stories, good thing the would-be attackers didn't have guns, eh?

RJ: I'm still working on the binary orgasm. How many strokes does that take?

Anonymous said...

"You know, Velociman is a good guy.... Also, he can wright like a Dolphin can swim."Yabu

T.S. Elliot. Great Poet. Anti-Semite.

Ergo I think one could argue literary ability says nothing about a persons human decency. (Course we could also talk about peeps like Huncke, Burroughs et al but I've got a weak spot for drunks and drug addicts. Yes I'm indecent too.)

@EO'B. There are some questions best left to higher authority. I defer to your splendid king on the binary inquiry.

RJ

Anonymous said...

@ Yabu...

You almost got killed by Sarah Palin? Really?

The "only technology that keeps us safe from hungry wild animals" is our porch lights. Scares the shit out of 'em.

Now, about this socialism thing that Fox News has your Depends in a bunch over:

Have you or anyone you know ever: received Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security benefits; visited a hospital emergency room without payment up-front; received unemployment insurance; enjoyed the benefits of a student loan; enjoyed the benefits of SNAP(Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program, formerly referred to as food stamps); enjoyed the benefits of unadulterated food and/or drugs; enjoyed clean, fresh water; used electricity anywhere near the watersheds of the Colorado, Tennessee, or Columbia River valleys; benefited from a job or from goods and/or services generated by the St Lawrence Seaway; attended a public school, municipal or state; driven on an interstate highway; ever...ahh, even a Fox-News addled individual like you must get the picture by now.

That's all socialism, champ. Learn it, love it, use it. Get used to it.

MR

Anonymous said...

In other news...

"New York Fed, Geithner May Have Known About Outrageous LIBOR Problems In 2007"-huffpo 7/10/12

Capitalism is organized crime and that's a fact friend. (hehe. RJ can create gospel too!)

RJ

Yabu said...

@Erin

On the gun thing: All I'm saying is it's better to have one and not need it, than to need one and not have it. "good thing the would-be attackers didn't have guns, eh?" You're right, (that would have been a "quick draw" moment, but my friend did, and saved his wife and daughter. That is most important. Look, I've known all of them for a long time, and if he didn't have a way to protect them, it would have been much worse. That is all I'm saying' . We don't live in a perfect world, but we can prepare for the unexpected. It's not about guns, it is about staying safe. Regardless, the bad guys will always have guns. I believe it is the right of people like me, and you, to level the playing field. Just the way I feel about it. I will never get myself backed into a corner., which is basically what happened to him. He was able to save his wife and daughter. What is wrong with that.? It was a close call, but he was able to make it. That is most important. The fact is, the bad guys will always have guns. A gun is just a tool. You can agree or disagree, but that is the way I feel. Always have, always will. You know what Erin, we could probably enjoy a good meal, have a game of chess, and shake hands when we go our separate ways. No big deal. I'm not radical, but if you get into trouble, I would do the best I can to save your ass. It is in my genes.

@Anonymous

I misspelled "write" intentionally. I'm surprised you didn't call me out.

Fox News? Sarah Palin? What in the hell are you talking about? Go twist another one, and chill out.

Far Out Man.

Al The Retired Army Guy said...

"I can't imagine that a single swingin' d**k on either side of the the aisle would have a single scream about it. But it's not on the table."

Maybe it should be on the table.

Al
TRAG

P.S. This just in: Erin renames her blog "Romney Girl" and goes on Fox News to promote it ... plans world tour featuring non-stop online coverage, as the Goat drives her around in the "Romney Girl Express" tour bus ....

P.S.S. Geez, I crack myself up sometimes.

Anonymous said...

How is it that our language is derived from Saxon but we have no umlauts?

I think if we had umlauts we'd be less likely to have a civil war.

Just wondering.

RJ

Anonymous said...

@Yabu..Sarah Palin? "Mamma Grizzly"? Where have you been since August 2008?

Meanwhile, after a gun fetish rant, you tell ME to chill out?

And of course no response to my tutorial on what socialism really looks like in this country, as opposed to the right-wing fantasy of Chairman Mao lighting Stalin's cigar with twigs kept burning by copies of the Constitution.

You can lead a horse to facts, but you can't make it think.

MR

Anonymous said...

@ RJ-good point about the language-I had an English teacher in junior high who wasted my time except for pointing out the fact that English is a Germanic language that pedants like himself insisted on trying to teach as if it were latinate.

MR

Yabu said...

@Anonymous

Oh, I get it , I got it. I wouldn't let you mow my grass. That was not a rant about guns, it was the truth. The truth will set you free, or save your ass...depends on how you interpret it. You anti-gun people will just roll over. Pitiful.

Just a question, yes or no answer. You and I are in the Pacific Northwest. I have a gun, you don't. A big grizzly bear charges you. Would you want me to save your life, or not? Tell the truth. Would you rather be killed, of let me save your life? That's an honest question.

Bill said...

Yabu, there are a couple of other options for your scenario. But, let's not go there.

Yabu said...

@Bill

And what might those other options be?

Anonymous said...

@Jobu: you're just the tool for the job.

@Bill: You and Sabu cuddle up, based on problem solving skills demonstrated so far, you complement
each other in a very kind, gentle and loving way. You deserve each other.

MR

"Fuck you, Yabu, I do it myself."-Indians Hall-of-Fame outfielder Pedro Serrano, circa 1989....

MR

Anonymous said...

@ Bill..."what might those other options be"-Yabu...careful, big guy, I think he might be a little sweet on ya...

You kids have a great night...

MR

Bill said...

I'm actually tired of this pissing contest. Think I'll wait for the next blog post from Erin. Yabu, the initialed ones are very much into insulting people and then changing the subject to something they just googled and became "expert" on. It's fun for a while though.

Yabu said...

You people are whacked out...perverts...I'm done with this thread. Have a good night.

Anonymous said...

"Whacked out perverts..."

Wow...you and Bill really WILL get along...'swimmingly'...

Anonymous said...

@Yabu-

So far you've labeled critics of Mormons "racists" and critics of Gun Violence "perverts."

If you're gonna come over here and stir shit at least get your character flaws squared away.

RJ

Anonymous said...

@ RJ-Jobu's gun violence fantasies with his 'buddy' saving his family and himself protecting the world from hungry grizzly bears reminds me of Ralphie in "A Christmas Story" fantasizing about saving the homestead from Black Bart...ahh, at least Bill has someone to play with...

MR

Al The Retired Army Guy said...

"Fuck you, Yabu, I do it myself."-Indians Hall-of-Fame outfielder Pedro Serrano, circa 1989....

Actually, it was Jobu.

Al
TRAG

Anonymous said...

Uhh...yeah Al, I know...(pregnant pause)...thanks for listening...

MR